My point is that they're nickle and diming by doing this and people cheer it on while not realizing that the biggest waste still goes on.
As for UBI, Norway gives their citizens a dividend from the oil and gas revenue that comes from their land.
In Murica we bend the knee to the wealthy and wall Street who take the profits and charge up the ass.
I like the USA in how we are individual, but when it comes to the economy we are worse than the communists with our ignorant knee bending sycophantic group think.
If Americans were taught business practices as a fundamental aspect of education, there would be 170,000,000 individual businesses negotiating in their best interest for jobs or business opportunities rather than so many feeling like business owes them something just for being alive.
A wealthy person's risky business venture is a poor person's ladder out of poverty.
Instead of wealthy investors who put money into a company and then sit and collect "rent", worker co-ops are more efficient and incentivize growth instead of cashing out via bonuses and stock buy backs. Here's a huge one that outperforms many investor owned ones.
The reason why investor owned corporations keep cashing out is because they've been getting huge tax breaks since the neoliberals and neocons took over.
When you cut corporate taxes, there's no longer an incentive to reinvest in equipment or labor. Taxes are paid on revenues - expenses. Low taxes incentivize hollowing out companies.
The best example is PGE and other investor owned utilities. Compared to municipal (government) utilities, they tend to charge more despite having less workers who are lower paid and have less benefits.
They also tend to skip maintenance, as PGE was later sued for.
After all, where's the incentive to spend the money when corp taxes are low and cashing out can benefit the "decision makers" aka the predator class executives and shareholders (preferred stock, not us with retirement accounts)...?
More examples...
English railway system privatized.. Rates went up and service went down. Less employees and the ones that remained were worked harder.
Illinois toll road, prices went up maintenance went down under privatization.
Slaves who think they can one day be a master defend other masters.
I can tell you firsthand that just putting your money down doesn't automatically deliver guaranteed return. The more money put into something that fails is more money lost. And vice versa for successful investments.
Mondragon: located in a formerly communist run country still with an actively participating Communist Party of Spain. I do not think individualism is high on their values list.
Companies with valuable (in demand) product(s) will use "tax break" money to grow the business (sales, manufacturing capacity, etc.) thus increasing employment, pay, intra and extra company opportunities, etc.
When I became an adult, I was ignorant of how anything worked. That includes personal relationships, fatherhood, employment, money/finances, you name it. I did whatever I could to take care of my family which meant taking jobs that I wouldn't naturally have chosen. I only ever wanted to be the master of my own life. So yeah, I was a slave (to ignorance really) that wanted to be a master, and I'd defend anyone who wants to be their own master.
Rob(c137), we probably agree more than we disagree but I'm ok with having disagreements too. If done well it strengthens or encourages intellectual growth in my opinion.
Here's the real deal about communism. I've grown up with tons of people from Russia.
They had no problem and a good life. The ones that came after the engineered collapse experienced a horrible time when the country was sold out to oligarchs.
In the book 1984 by Orwell, there were three regions that were at war. Each region called out the horrors of the enemy regions that they themselves also do.
That's why they thought we had it worse and we thought they had it worse but both sides have corruption. The only difference is that Russians knew the newspapers, TV, and radio were propaganda while we have a false "free choice" between colluding corporations giving us the illusion of freedom of speech.
Huge difference between private sector execs getting gigantic bonuses from their non-governmental businesses and unelected governmental ANYONE getting paid by the peoples' hard earned wages.
Nobody is forced to invest in a private sector biz with its excesses. But taxpayers are forced, ultimately at gunpoint, to fund the bloated gov't bureaucracy.
Let's face it, taxpayers are forced to pay taxes, no choice about it or about where their money goes. Utterly unConstitutional, but... the attitude is, "so what?"
Perfectly legitimate while executives get bonuses in private industry? Shouldn't everyone take the burden? Oh not in slavelandia Murica!
They can afford hundreds of billions for war.
Trillions for military contracts like the f35 piece of crap
But like every politician, the rage gets redirected on people instead of corruption. Somehow this works in a society that believes in the American dream while they can barely afford their mortgage on a crap house.
How are the unemployed going to help the economy?
They'll just compete with private employees and drive wages down.
I think the arguments made here are good, but they are being made within the vacuum of corporate rules. the people have no voice. war, corporate farming, culling animals for fake diseases, taxes on our wages... NO voice. This ain't no democracy, folks. So saith the dog.
And PS: When people can be sent into oblivion simply by losing their job, when people can be manipulated with the THREAT of losing their jobs, something is broken...
Actually, no employee should be subject to layoffs unless there's a real reason for it.
In private industry, they regularly do layoffs while giving executives bonuses.
Let's raise the standard for everyone instead of bitch about unions and civil service etc.
The wealthy, including those that make big money on government contracts, like Musk, should be the ones to take a hit.
I'm not sure I understand your comment Rob (c137) (and I usually understand them fine), but I think I do. Don't worry, everything will be fixed with the Universal Basic Income. (LOL). I think you might like this post: https://dollyboy.substack.com/p/live-your-life?publication_id=475686&post_id=157929251&isFreemail=true&r=th1kr&triedRedirect=true&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
My point is that they're nickle and diming by doing this and people cheer it on while not realizing that the biggest waste still goes on.
As for UBI, Norway gives their citizens a dividend from the oil and gas revenue that comes from their land.
In Murica we bend the knee to the wealthy and wall Street who take the profits and charge up the ass.
I like the USA in how we are individual, but when it comes to the economy we are worse than the communists with our ignorant knee bending sycophantic group think.
If Americans were taught business practices as a fundamental aspect of education, there would be 170,000,000 individual businesses negotiating in their best interest for jobs or business opportunities rather than so many feeling like business owes them something just for being alive.
A wealthy person's risky business venture is a poor person's ladder out of poverty.
Instead of wealthy investors who put money into a company and then sit and collect "rent", worker co-ops are more efficient and incentivize growth instead of cashing out via bonuses and stock buy backs. Here's a huge one that outperforms many investor owned ones.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
The reason why investor owned corporations keep cashing out is because they've been getting huge tax breaks since the neoliberals and neocons took over.
When you cut corporate taxes, there's no longer an incentive to reinvest in equipment or labor. Taxes are paid on revenues - expenses. Low taxes incentivize hollowing out companies.
The best example is PGE and other investor owned utilities. Compared to municipal (government) utilities, they tend to charge more despite having less workers who are lower paid and have less benefits.
They also tend to skip maintenance, as PGE was later sued for.
After all, where's the incentive to spend the money when corp taxes are low and cashing out can benefit the "decision makers" aka the predator class executives and shareholders (preferred stock, not us with retirement accounts)...?
More examples...
English railway system privatized.. Rates went up and service went down. Less employees and the ones that remained were worked harder.
Illinois toll road, prices went up maintenance went down under privatization.
Slaves who think they can one day be a master defend other masters.
I can tell you firsthand that just putting your money down doesn't automatically deliver guaranteed return. The more money put into something that fails is more money lost. And vice versa for successful investments.
Mondragon: located in a formerly communist run country still with an actively participating Communist Party of Spain. I do not think individualism is high on their values list.
Companies with valuable (in demand) product(s) will use "tax break" money to grow the business (sales, manufacturing capacity, etc.) thus increasing employment, pay, intra and extra company opportunities, etc.
When I became an adult, I was ignorant of how anything worked. That includes personal relationships, fatherhood, employment, money/finances, you name it. I did whatever I could to take care of my family which meant taking jobs that I wouldn't naturally have chosen. I only ever wanted to be the master of my own life. So yeah, I was a slave (to ignorance really) that wanted to be a master, and I'd defend anyone who wants to be their own master.
Rob(c137), we probably agree more than we disagree but I'm ok with having disagreements too. If done well it strengthens or encourages intellectual growth in my opinion.
Here's the real deal about communism. I've grown up with tons of people from Russia.
They had no problem and a good life. The ones that came after the engineered collapse experienced a horrible time when the country was sold out to oligarchs.
In the book 1984 by Orwell, there were three regions that were at war. Each region called out the horrors of the enemy regions that they themselves also do.
That's why they thought we had it worse and we thought they had it worse but both sides have corruption. The only difference is that Russians knew the newspapers, TV, and radio were propaganda while we have a false "free choice" between colluding corporations giving us the illusion of freedom of speech.
In the animal kingdom, those with a protected status are known as subjects, pets, prisoners, slaves or food.
I'll take personal responsibility for my life over any of those choices any day all day.
Huge difference between private sector execs getting gigantic bonuses from their non-governmental businesses and unelected governmental ANYONE getting paid by the peoples' hard earned wages.
Nobody is forced to invest in a private sector biz with its excesses. But taxpayers are forced, ultimately at gunpoint, to fund the bloated gov't bureaucracy.
Let's face it, taxpayers are forced to pay taxes, no choice about it or about where their money goes. Utterly unConstitutional, but... the attitude is, "so what?"
"We can't afford so many employees," is a perfectly legitimate reason, in any case.
Who determines that there are too many workers?
Did they ask the agencies?
Do corporate executives ask the departments?
And why do so many defend the management class?
Perfectly legitimate while executives get bonuses in private industry? Shouldn't everyone take the burden? Oh not in slavelandia Murica!
They can afford hundreds of billions for war.
Trillions for military contracts like the f35 piece of crap
But like every politician, the rage gets redirected on people instead of corruption. Somehow this works in a society that believes in the American dream while they can barely afford their mortgage on a crap house.
How are the unemployed going to help the economy?
They'll just compete with private employees and drive wages down.
ASK us? We get no voice in anything, doncha know. Corporations don't give one fuck about people, it's incredibly cold-blooded, all that money.
Good conversation here, as usual...
I think the arguments made here are good, but they are being made within the vacuum of corporate rules. the people have no voice. war, corporate farming, culling animals for fake diseases, taxes on our wages... NO voice. This ain't no democracy, folks. So saith the dog.
And PS: When people can be sent into oblivion simply by losing their job, when people can be manipulated with the THREAT of losing their jobs, something is broken...
Well said, Rob D!